The Skinny Puppy F A Q

version 2.5
Last Updated 6/12/98

Written and maintained by Corey (sgoldberg@monmouth.com) and SKUMM (andersod@up.lib.mi.us) (with noted sections quoted from Nettwerk's customer service) With thanks to and help from: Artmaker; Rene H.C.; Dead Shot; Kevin Lewis; Greg Clow; Todd; Dierdre; Kristy M. Holt; JDL; MagerValp; Sevorg; L'Ogre2'3; FFreddy; Scott Graham; David Pattee; Sean Graham; Blaine Lefort; James Annet; T o M; Patrick Campbell; Amphion; Peter Nielsen; Lord Leto II; Jo-Ann Greene; Peter Cieghn; Subconscious Communications and their web site; Aaron; cEvin Key; Nettwerk (esp. Armand Sebris and Adam Drake); and of course Skinny Puppy and everyone involved with it. Dedicated to the life and music of Dwayne R. Goettel

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General Questions

1.1 How did the band start?
1.2 Where did they get the name Skinny Puppy? What does it mean?
1.3 What were their influences?
1.4 Where is (dialogue sample here) from?
1.5 (Insert Album A) sounds nothing like (Insert Album B), wtf?
1.6 How many people listen to Skinny Puppy?
1.7 What new stuff is coming out?
1.8 What’s this I hear about new Puppy material? Is this true?

Member Info

2.1 Who were Skinny Puppy?
2.2 What is cEvin Key doing now? Where can I reach him?
2.3 How the hell do you pronounce cEvin's name?
2.4 How did cEvin get the nickname Kenny King?
2.5 What is Ogre doing now? Where can I reach him?
2.6 What was Dwayne up to before Puppy? How did he get involved in the band?
2.7 Are Dave "the Rave" Ogilvie and Kevin "Nivek Ogre" Ogilvie related or the same person?
2.8 OK, two Ogilvies I can buy...but three? Who is this Rosie "Mowse" Ogilvie?
2.9 Who is the Green Guy?

Questions By Album/Era

3.1 What is Back and Forth series 1 and where can I get it?
3.2 What's that thing at the beginning of Smothered Hope (demo) on Back and Forth series 2?
3.3 Where is that picture of a man looking around a corner inside the Remission / Back and Forth series 2 booklet from?
3.4 Who is that singing on the Centre Bullet?
3.5 What is this extra track 17 on the Bites CD?
3.6 What's with all the different versions of Bites?
3.7 Why are some of the same tracks that are on Remission on Bites as well?
3.9 Alright...let me guess...the version of Love on Mind:TPI is different than the one on Bites?
3.10 OK, why are Addiction and Deep Down Trauma Hounds on here? Weren't those originally released on Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate? And where is Stairs and Flowers (Dub) from?

3.11 Why is Dig It on the CD album the same as the remix on the Dig It single?
3.12 What is the difference between the Chainsaw EP/single and the Stairs and Flowers EP/single?
3.13 Who is that singing on Addiction?
3.14 I heard of a song called Kill To Cure, what is it and why wasn't it released?
3.15 What was the tour like for this album?
3.16 Why is the album called VIVIsectVI? What's the VI for?
3.17 I heard they got arrested in '88, why?
3.18 I heard about CHUD getting stolen, what happened?
3.19 Who is the Cyan credited with lyrics and vocals for Rain?
3.20 What exactly is this track Spahn Dirge? Where have I heard those lyrics before?

3.21 I heard Rabies got remastered. How can I tell if I have the original or remastered version? What's the difference?
3.22 Hey, my Too Dark Park insert is different from my friend's. What's going on?
3.23 Hey, my Spasmolytic is missing a song that my friend's copy has. What's going on?
3.24 Track 10 on Last Rights is missing...wtf?
3.25 Where can I get this Left Hand Shake?
3.26 What's this story of Ogre having a convulsion during Knowhere?
3.27 On my copy of Last Rights the songs start 39 sec before the corresponding track comes up. What gives?
3.28 My copy of Last Rights has all the right songs on the CD, but the on-disc art only lists three songs, (Tormentor ext., Bark, and Nature's Revenge Dub). Wtf?
3.30 What was the tour for Last Rights like?

3.31 I heard that there was a single for Candle? Where can I get it?
3.32 What does Brap mean?
3.33 What exactly are all of these tracks on Brap? Live? Demos? Wtf?
3.34 Why is the tracklist on Brap reversed?
3.35 What's with all these different versions of Brap?
3.36 What's with this hole in the right side of the Brap digipak? Was there supposed to be a booklet in there?
3.37 I've heard there are secrets on the Brap CD-ROM, where?
3.38 Wait a minute, these dates on the Brap CD-ROM clips don't sound right...
3.39 When was Ain't It Dead Yet? recorded?
3.40 My copy of Ain't It Dead Yet? is all on one track, why?
3.41 My copy of Ain't It Dead Yet? says it includes God's Gift (Maggot), but it doesn't...wtf?

Miscellaneous Questions

4.1 I heard Skinny Puppy were in a movie. Is this true?
4.2 I heard there's a song called Ode To Groovy. Where is it?
4.3 I heard there's some new SP songs on compilations, is that true?
4.4 I heard of a bootleg called Intolerance. What's up with it?

The Videos

5.1 What videos are out there?
5.2 What official Puppy videos exist?
5.3 Why isn't Worlock included on the Video Compilation?
5.4 What films are used in the Worlock video?
5.5 What are the Spasmolytic credits?
5.6 I just watched Far Too Frail...wtf?
5.7 What fan made videos exist?
5.8 What is this Too Dark Park backing video I hear about?
5.9 So is there a Last Rights backing video bootleg as well?

Other Projects and Bands

6.1 What is Subconscious Communications?
6.2 What is Paradigm Shift?
6.3 What is Download? What are they doing now?
6.4 What is this Charlie's Family soundtrack I've heard about?
6.5 What is Chunkblower and where can I get the soundtrack?
6.6 I heard Download released a track on a CD with some magazine, is this true?
6.7 I heard that there was going to be a Coil vs. Download remix EP?
6.8 Why is Outafter dedicated to Brandon Lee?
6.9 What is that voice saying in The Eyes Of Stanley Pain?
6.10 I heard that there was a bonus track on the promo of the Sidewinder EP, is this true?

6.11 This Papa Papa Mula CWM track sounds familiar...so does the name...
6.12 What is aDuck?
6.13 What is Doubting Thomas? Is anything new coming out?
6.14 What happened to the Father Don’t Cry single? Where can I get it?
6.15 What is Skinny Puppy's relation to The Tear Garden and The Legendary Pink Dots? What are The Tear Garden doing now?
6.16 What about Twilight Circus?
6.17 What is Hilt?
6.18 What is The Flu?
6.19 What is Lee Chubby King?
6.20 What is Plateau?

6.21 I heard cEvin is releasing solo material. Is this true?
6.22 What is Skinny Puppy's relation to Cyberaktif and Front Line Assembly?
6.23 What is A Chud Convention?
6.24 What is Hell O' Death Day?
6.25 What is The Lung Goblins?
6.26 What is Skinny Puppy's relation to Images In Vogue?
6.27 What was The Fuck Brothers?
6.28 What is Skinny Puppy's relation to Mark Spybey and Dead Voices On Air?
6.29 What is Skinny Puppy's relation to Ministry, Revolting Cocks, and PTP?
6.30 What is Mutual Mortuary?

6.31 What is W.E.L.T.?
6.32 I heard Ogre did the soundtrack to the Descent 2 computer game, is this true?
6.33 I saw some band named Welt's album called Better Days. Is this Ogre's project?
6.34 What are Skinny Puppy's relations to Pigface?
6.35 What is Rx/Ritalin?

Frequently Asked Questions

"Answer me. Can't you talk? Can't you move? Answer me!"

General Questions

1.4 Where is (dialogue sample here) from?

Many spoken samples and sounds were taken from movies. A definitive list of the sources for each song's samples can be found at the Skinny Puppy Sample Source Archive.
Another place to find info on samples by Skinny Puppy and any other band (including projects like Doubting Thomas) is the Top Sample List. Btw Puppy is ranked as the highest sample using group by this list, and that's not even counting Doubting Thomas, Cyberaktif, etc.

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1.5 (Insert Album A) sounds nothing like (Insert Album B), wtf?

Skinny Puppy were not a band to repeat themselves. Rather than stagnating their sound constantly changed, grew, and morphed. No one album can give a complete indication of what they sounded like. Everyone has their favorite, so get 'em all and decide for yourself.

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1.6 How many people listen to Skinny Puppy?

At the time of their breakup Skinny Puppy had sold over 1,000,000 records, which works out to an average of one record sold about every 6 - 7 minutes over the course of their 13 year existence. And that doesn't even include singles, side projects, and sales after the breakup. Download’s album The Eyes Of Stanley Pain alone has reached almost 20,000 sales in less than a year and a half of release, which roughly works out to one copy of the album sold about every 30 minutes.

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1.7 What new stuff is coming out?

Here's a list of planned and/or possible Puppy related releases

-Subconscious Compilation 2
-Skinny Puppy: Remix album
-Skinny Puppy: Mixman Sampling disc (replacing the discs previously announced by Nettwerk; out now)
-Skinny Puppy: Back and Forth series 5/6 (these may have been working titles for the above mentioned sample discs)
-Download: Moth EP
-Download: Resilient EP (remixes by other artists)
-aDuck: (full length album)
-Kone: (album...this may or may not be directly related to SP, but Kone is on Subcon)
-The Tear Garden: (new material)
-Hilt: The Worst Of...
-Plateau: (new material)
-Rx: Bedside Toxicology (Ogre & Martin Atkins album; out now)
-W.E.L.T.: (album...someday...)
-The Legendary Pink Dots: Collaborations (comp w\Tear Garden tracks available only directly from LPD themselves)
-Tool: Stinkfist (Rumored remix by Ogre; unreleased as of yet...)
-Various Artists: Hymns of the Warlock (Puppy tribute album, most notably featuring Download and DVOA)

Possibilites exist for upcoming Rx, Download/Plateau, and Tear Garden shows.

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1.8 What’s this I hear about new Puppy material? Is this true?

Apparently cEvin has stated that he would like to collaborate with Ogre again, but Ogre has said that he is not interested in doing so at this point. If they were to work together again it is not clear whether it would be new “Skinny Puppy” material or something new.

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Member Info

2.1 Who were Skinny Puppy?

Skinny Puppy started out as cEvin Key (Kevin Crompton) and Nivek Ogre (Kevin Ogilvie). cEvin created most of the music and Ogre did the lyrics and vocals. Early on Ogre contributed, however minimally, to the music, playing some synths, some percussion, and handling some of his own vocal treatments.

When they began recording at Mushroom Studios for the first time in early ‘84, they hooked up with producer Dave Ogilvie, who was working as an engineer at the studio. He assisted the Puppies on their first studio-recorded track, Sleeping Beast, which appeared on Back and Forth series 1 and later in a more refined form on Remission. Dave (a.k.a. Rave) provided free studio time for Skinny Puppy to work on some of the tracks on Remission. Rave would remain a major contributor to the band through most of their existence.

When they started playing live, they needed another keyboardist and brought in their friend Wilhelm Schroder. Wilhelm didn't know very much about music, but really wanted to play so Key showed him the ropes. Wilhelm played bass synth on some early tracks and on the Bites tour (plus moaning on Stairs and Flowers). He was never listed as an actual member on any of the releases, however. For a variety of reasons, he quit the band halfway through the recording of the third album, Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse, and went on to start Front Line Assembly as Bill Leeb.

To fill the void, cEvin brought in Dwayne R. Goettel (see question below), a classically trained and technically skilled keyboardist. The two instantly clicked and Dwayne became a vital member of the band. This lineup lasted for the rest of the bands history.

When Skinny Puppy broke up on June 12, 1995, Ogre went his way and cEvin and Dwayne went theirs. Tragically, Dwayne died of a heroin overdose on August 23, 1995. His legacy, as that of Skinny Puppy, forever lives on.

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2.2 What is cEvin Key doing now? Where can I reach him?

His main project is Download at the moment and he is working on some other side projects, including The Tear Garden, Plateau, and Doubting Thomas (of which cEvin has said has some new material will be released eventually). Currently it seems he is working on compilating the sequel to Paradigm Shift. cEvin Key has an email address (ckey@direct.ca and/or ckey@cyberstore.ca and/or ckey@vkool.com). He seems to respond on a fairly regular basis and is very good natured and generous about answering fans' questions.

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2.3 How the hell do you pronounce cEvin's name?

Nowadays at least, he pronounces it just like "Kevin".

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2.4 How did cEvin get the nickname Kenny King?

Someone was calling cEvin to the phone, and mispronounced his name as Kenny King. And so, a new nickname was born. This is said to have happened on the same day as the Cincinnati arrest incident, but that seems to conflict with the name King appearing on the earlier Lee Chubby King project (see below).

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2.5 What is Ogre doing now? Where can I reach him?

Ogre’s current project is Rx (formerly known as Ritalin). An album has just been released and possiblities for singles or a tour exist. W.E.L.T, Ogre’s project with Mark Walk, had finished an album. Apparently the deal Ogre had with American Records got muddled and the album was put into limbo when American Records was absorbed by Warner Bros. The delay was furthered by Ogre's reluctance to release the album while certain other "artists" who he feels are "exploiting" his past work are in the public eye He’s now trying to get the rights to release this material, but plans on re- recording and editing it before its final release. In addition, the name W.E.L.T. will probably have to be changed due to the other band named Welt. He has also recently taken part in the latest KMFDM album and toured with the band. He was to appear on the most recent Pigface album but, in fact, does not appear on the album. He did have an email address (puppy@netcom.com) but its been dormant for some time now and apparently no longer exists.

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2.6 What was Dwayne up to before Puppy? How did he get involved in the band?

Dwayne, who grew up in Edmonton, was in a band by the name of Psyche. Although Psyche recorded, it was only after Dwayne left the band. Dwayne was also in two other bands. One band called Voice did record an EP for a local indie label. Another called Water, which featured a female vocalist, never recorded but had opened for Puppy on the Bites tour. As the story goes, Wilhelm Schroder (later Bill Leeb) did not want to go on another tour with the band and Dwayne, having opened for Pup, fit the bill and was free. cEvin and Dwayne quickly found that they worked well together and began jamming. This resulted on their first song, Antagonism. Dwayne was a member of Skinny Puppy until their breakup June 12, 1995.

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2.7 Are Dave "the Rave" Ogilvie and Kevin "Nivek Ogre" Ogilvie related or the same person?

Absolutely not, it's all just a coincidence as far as the same last names go. Certain incorrect information has been printed in the past, but aside from a close relationship, they are not related in any way.

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2.8 OK, two Ogilvies I can buy...but three? Who is this Rosie "Mowse" Ogilvie?

Rosie Ogilvie is Dave Ogilvie's wife. She does backing vocals on Tear Or Beat as Mowse and performed with Ogre and Rave at some animal rights benefit shows.

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2.9 Who is the Green Guy?

Some say the green guy is the person who provided the pot during the recording process, others say it's a person who played bass on some tracks, still others say it was cEvin under the influence, and yet others say it's a name for Marijuana altogether.

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Questions By Album/Era

=Back And Forth (series 1 and 2)=

3.1 What is Back and Forth series 1 and where can I get it?

Back and Forth series 1 was their first, self produced tape released in early '84. Intended to be a run of 50 copies, cEvin got tired of dubbing them and only ended up making 35. Years later, some copies numbered 36-50 turned up, and it has been suggested that Bill Leeb made them and sold them to some fans for quite a bit of money, but he denies it. cEvin says that as far as he knows there were only 35. In addition, copies 1-15 were individually hand dubbed, while 16-35 were high-speed dubbed, resulting in lower quality. All of these tracks appear in a remastered form on Back and Forth series 2. If you're an anal completist who still wants to hear the tracks in the (in a few cases) slightly different original versions, bootleg copies of this release can be found.

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3.2 What's that thing at the beginning of Smothered Hope (demo) on Back and Forth series 2?

This appears to be a live improvisation, performed right before Smothered Hope. When the drums from Smothered Hope begin to come in, the track switches to an early demo for Smothered Hope, as the title suggests.

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=Remission=

3.3 Where is that picture of a man looking around a corner inside the Remission / Back and Forth series 2 booklet from?

This is taken from a 1950 painting called "The Subway" by George Tooker.

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=Bites=

3.4 Who is that singing on the Centre Bullet?

The vocals on this track are actually done by cEvin. Later on, cEvin redid this song under the Tear Garden name with Edward Ka-Spel adding vocals. Its kind of interesting, though, that cEvin's vocs on the original version sound quite a bit similar to Edward's voice.

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3.5 What is this extra track 17 on the Bites CD?

This track is called One Day and was previously unreleased. The title might be a reference to the original name of Puppy friends the Legendary Pink Dots.

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3.6 What's with all the different versions of Bites?

While there were many different releases of Bites with different tracks on them, the currently available '93 CD release includes every track ever released on any version of Bites except Cage, which you can get on the Chainsaw EP.

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3.7 Why are some of the same tracks that are on Remission on Bites as well?

While it is not clear from the tracklist (or discography), the duplicated tracks are different versions of the songs. The versions of Film and Icebreaker on Remission are different than the ones on Bites. It should be noted that if you have one of the Remission and Bites or Bites and Remission compilation discs you will be missing out on a lot of material. If you want the complete picture, the way to get Remission and Bites are as two separate CDs.

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3.8 What was the tour like for this album?

The Bites tour of North America and Europe had the lineup of Ogre, cEvin, and Wilhelm Schroeder. The set involved giant medieval-looking platforms that cEvin and Wilhelm stood on and played from. Skulls and televisions on pedestals littered the stage. Ogre occasionally turned to a metallic rhythm setup, which looked much like a swing set, playing and banging on a variety of objects including cymbals, springs, and windchimes. A life size (and Ogre-esque) stuffed doll hung in effigy from the percussion set.

Ogre, manipulating his own vocals live on-stage, performed a variety of frightening acts which included holding up a mirror to himself and the audience, slashing his own throat, and, in the finale, smashing a skull against his head, shattering it to pieces. A good example of what the tour looked like can be seen in the Smothered Hope and Far Too Frail videos as well as in the inside of the Back and Forth series 2 insert.

Setlist: Film / Assimilate / Solvent / Icebreaker / Blood On The Wall / Glass Houses / The Choke / Social Deception / Last Call / Deadlines / Smothered Hope / Encore: Brap\Improv / Basement / Far Too Frail

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=Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse=

3.9 Alright...let me guess...the version of Love on Mind:TPI is different than the one on Bites?

Yep. Good call:)

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3.10 OK, why are Addiction and Deep Down Trauma Hounds on here? Weren't those originally released on Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate? And where is Stairs and Flowers (Dub) from?

The original vinyl/cassette release on Mind:TPI came out in '86. The last song on the album was Burnt With Water. The CD version was released in '88, which was after Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate (and it's companion Addiction single) were released. As bonus tracks on the CD version of Mind:TPI, tracks from the Addiction single were added, even though they were from a later era. These two tracks are actually Addiction (second dose) and Deep Down Trauma Hounds (remix), not the original versions of the songs as the tracklist suggests. Further bonus tracks were taken from the Chainsaw EP. These two tracks were Chainsaw and Stares and Flowers (Too Far Gone), the latter retitled Stairs and Flowers (Dub).

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3.12 Why is Dig It on the CD album the same as the remix on the Dig It single?

For some reason, the original album version of Dig It was replaced with the 12" remix for the CD release of Mind:TPI. The version on the 12" Anthology is also the 12" remix. The original album version is available on CD on the compilation Industrial Revolution Second Edition.

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3.12 What is the difference between the Chainsaw EP/single and the Stairs and Flowers EP/single?

Stairs and Flowers was a slightly different version of Chainsaw made for the US market. The track Cage was dropped for Stairs and Flowers but the cover art was exactly the same (except the title). Stairs and Flowers was available as a 12" only and is out of print, but the Chainsaw EP is still available on CD.

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=Cleanse, Fold, And Manipulate=

3.13 Who is that singing on Addiction?

The low voice in Addiction is, in fact, Ogre. His voice is heavily pitched down resulting in quite a few people thinking it was a guest vocalist. It is rumored that Ogre was taking a stab at Bill Leeb's vocal style with this track.

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3.14 I heard of a song called Kill To Cure, what is it and why wasn't it released?

This was a song recorded around 87-88. It was never released but a bootleg recording of a demo exists, and they performed it live during the early '88 European tour. The vocals for the demo version sound like a very early scratch demo cut, and they were changed quite a bit for the live version. Its not known exactly why this track wasn't released (any info on this would be great). A live version of this track can be downloaded from the Skinny Puppy Unleashed web site at (http://www.brap.dk)

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3.15 What was the tour like for this album?

The first leg of the tour is documented in the Ain't It Dead Yet? live video. The second leg of the tour was a small tour of Europe done in early '88 (before VIVIsectVI) called Head Trauma. This tour is often confused with the VIVIsectVI tour since the stage show was quite similar. The performance involved Ogre as a laboratory scientist experimenting on on a very lifelike stuffed dog (named CHUD after the horror movies). He performed a mock vivisection of CHUD on-stage in order to show the audience the horrors of vivisection.

As the show progressed Ogre began experimenting on himself, having his assistant, who was dressed like an executioner, hand him syringes which he used upon himself. He even took a shard of broken glass and sliced up his own stomach, much like he had CHUD's. In the end, his assistant took control and strapped him into a giant medieval-like chair. Struggling like a restrained animal, Ogre was hung upside down as the chair was flipped, simulating the kind of "sudden head trauma" experiments which were being performed on defenseless animals. A press release for this tour appears on the Brap CD-ROM.

Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate Setlist: Intro / Anger / The Choke / Addiction / Assimilate / First Aid / Dig It / One Time One Place / Deep Down Trauma Hounds / Chainsaw / Brap (based on Draining Faces) / Smothered Hope

Head Trauma Setlist: Intro / God's Gift (Maggot) / Assimilate / One Time One Place / Addiction / Smothered Hope / Kill To Cure / The Choke / Deep Down Trauma Hounds / Glass Houses / Brap (based on Draining Faces)

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=VIVIsectVI=

3.16 Why is the album called VIVIsectVI? What's the VI for?

This is a sort of wordplay to show the evil of vivisection. Switch the last VI to the front and you get VIVIVIsect or 666 sect.

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3.17 I heard they got arrested in '88, why?

A person in the audience during the VIVIsectVI tour mistakenly thought the stuffed dog CHUD, which Ogre ripped apart on stage in order to show the horrors of vivisection, was a real animal and called the police. After showing up backstage and finding that CHUD indeed was not real, they basically tried to find a reason to be there and after some harsh words were exchanged Ogre and cEvin among others spent the night in jail under disorderly conduct charges. Dwayne, who was actually rolling a joint as the cops came in, managed to escape due to his unique power of invisibility.

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3.18 I heard about CHUD getting stolen, what happened?

After the show in Detroit, some girl managed to grab CHUD as a souvenir of the show and left it in the back of her unlocked car after she got home. The band followed her around the city. Ogre not only recovered CHUD but also entered the girl's house and yelled at her parents.

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=Rabies=

3.19 Who is the Cyan credited with lyrics and vocals for Rain?

Cyan was supposedly Ogre's girlfriend at the time.

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3.20 What exactly is this track Spahn Dirge? Where have I heard those lyrics before?

Spahn Dirge is a live in-studio jam including everyone from the band. It probably involved guests including Al Jourgensen. It appears as a B-side on the Tin Omen single and as a bonus track on the CD version of Rabies. Some of the lyrics are borrowed (and subsequently warped) from Revolting Cock's Attack Ships On Fire and Led Zeppelin's When The Levee Breaks.

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3.21 I heard Rabies got remastered. How can I tell if I have the original or remastered version? What's the difference?

The original master had been put through a Dolby noise reduction that cEvin loathed, so he went back and remastered it for CD in '93. This CD was re-released for the US market by Nettwerk in ‘98. It is most obviously different from the previous, “un-re-mastered” US verious by both the clear disc tray (the original had the solid, non-transparent disc tray which has gone out of fashion in recent years) and the sticker on the cover which claims “remastered” and “first time available in the US”. If you have it on vinyl or cassette, you've got the original master version. Otherwise, read on.

Note: the following information was released by Nettwerk *before* the ‘98 re-release and thus does not pertain to it.
Here's the info straight from Nettwerk:

Skinny Puppy Rabies Remastered Quasi-FAQ
Here's the long story about Rabies and the "first master" vs. "re-mastered" explanation:

- Rabies was first released in 1989 on LP and Cassette. This was at a time when you still had to wait a few weeks for the CD to be done. The LP and the Cassette at the time had a specific type of master that was still in use for vinyl and cassette manufacture (as opposed to CD's.)

- When the CD first came out, it featured the same mastering as the original LP and Cassette. This was only for the first two pressings.

- When those original copies ran out in Canada (at the time that's the only place it was available) we put out a "remastered" pressing specifically for CD. The CD has always had this master ever since. The remastered version came out in early 1993. If you bought it anytime after that *IN CANADA* you will have this version of the CD.

- If you have any doubt in your mind whatsoever, you should be ordering it from our mail order dept.

On a technical note: "Re-mastering" or just plain "mastering" is the art of clarifying and raising the overall volume of all of the mixes on an album (no matter what format) to a certain level so that it is the same volume (or a more uniform volume anyway) for the whole disc. In the case of "Rabies", you might also notice on the remastered version that the bass is much "smoother" and "heavier". Very delicate art that one. :)

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To be completely honest, the "un-remastered" version of "Rabies" is now much harder to find than the remastered version. I know what you're saying after reading that: "I'd like to get a copy of this if it actually is different. How do I go about ordering it direct?"

Our mail order dept.'s email address is: mail.orders@nettwerk.com

I hope that clears up a lot of stuff for some people.

Armand S.
Internet Services
Nettwerk Productions
info@nettwerk.com

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=Too Dark Park=

3.22 Hey, my Too Dark Park insert is different from my friend's. What's going on?

The original release of the TDP CD included a fold-out, color lyric sheet with the entire cover painting intact in the background. Later on this was switched to a stapled booklet, with the painting in black and white and chopped up among the pages. The change may have been made to make the lyrics easier to read.

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3.23 Hey, my Spasmolytic is missing a song that my friend's copy has. What's going on? Choralone (Live in Houston) was a bonus track on some CD and cassette copies of the Spasmolytic single/EP. Some list it on the cover and have it, some don't list it and have it, and some don't have it period. It is not available on the vinyl version of the release. More info to come/requested on this.

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=Last Rights=

3.24 Track 10 on Last Rights is missing...wtf?

The track that was track 10, entitled Left Hand Shake was scrapped from the album at the last minute due to the Timothy Leary samples throughout the song having not having been cleared. Even though Leary himself approved of the use of the samples, he found out later that he did not in fact own the rights to them and the owner denied SP usage of the samples. The song was pulled from the album. Interestingly (and frustratingly), some of the same samples appear in the track Fistfuck on Nine Inch Nail's Fixed EP.

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3.25 Where can I get this Left Hand Shake?

The track can be found, in a variety of forms, as a bootleg. One version of the song can be found on the original European version of Brap, put out by the OffBeat Label. OffBeat went ahead and released it even though they didn't legally have the right to do so. It also appears on the CD bootleg Intolerance (this is not an endorsement btw...). Puppy supposedly planned to release it as a 7" given out at shows but this never happened. You can download a copy of this song and hear Last Rights the way it was meant to be heard from the Skinny Puppy Unleashed web site (http://www.brap.dk).

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3.26 What's this story of Ogre having a convulsion during Knowhere?

While Ogre and Rave were recording the vocals for Knowhere?, during a period of Ogre's heavy drug addiction, Ogre took a shot of coke and had a seizure. It is rumored that they were still recording as he went into the convulsions, and that the recording actually appears on the final album.

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3.27 On my copy of Last Rights the songs start 39 sec before the corresponding track comes up. What gives?

The original pressing of the Last Rights CD had an error which caused the tracks to be shifted 39 seconds after the point the song starts. This resulted in the first 39 seconds of Love In Vein being cut off and 39 seconds of space being added to the end of Download. You can hear the beginning of Love In Vein by rewinding the CD past the 0 second point. This pressing error was quickly replaced and all new copies of Last Rights do not have this problem. Some still claim that the "error" was actually done on purpose so that you had to listen to the album as a whole, much like Ain't It Dead Yet?. It is doubtful, however, that they would intentionally cut off the first 39 seconds of a song.

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3.28 My copy of Last Rights has all the right songs on the CD, but the on-disc art only lists three songs, (Tormentor ext., Bark, and Nature's Revenge Dub). Wtf?

This seems to be a common phenomenon with copies of Last Rights ordered from Columbia House. The music is correct, but the on-disc art is that of the Tormentor single. Try contacting either Columbia House, Nettwerk, or Capitol about the problem.

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3.29 What happened to the Love In Vein single?

It was scrapped, but some or all of the content planned to be released on it can be found on Brap (vol. 4). The version of Love In Vein on Brap is a (possibly unfinished) remix.

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3.30 What was the tour for Last Rights like?

The Last Rights tour (of which the European leg was canceled due to Ogre's knee injury) involved a variety of horrific imagery. cEvin appeared to play live percussion throughout the show. The show involved Ogre interacting with a staticy backing film, being tortured by his own guilt, spinning a macabre tree with masks, arms, and other monstrous things hanging from it constantly over his head, occasionally pulling objects off and wearing masks for certain songs.

The tree was originally called "The Tree Of No Cares" and was conceived as an extension of "The Chair of No Cares" from the TDP show and Spasmolytic video. The tree trunk was made up of hundreds of twisted, moaning faces and was scrawled with words like "Sex", "Greed", "Self Dissect", "Vermin", and "Survive". The masks (AKA Torture Heads) included a gas mask, a monster with its tongue hanging out, and a screaming human head cut in half just below the eyes. Ogre's makeup revealed his face as a twisted melding of flesh and metal. As the show progressed, Ogre continued to turn to a Videodrome-inspired virtual reality/drug machine through which he entered some other "dimension".

When Ogre entered the machine, his face appeared on the backing film, giving us a glimpse into the other world in which he was being tortured as well. The machine continued to destroy him, eventually splitting him into two personalities, evident by a "second Ogre" growing out of his back. Late in the show he held up a cross which began to bleed.

Finally he dons a "guilt suit" and becomes his own monster. The "Guiltman" monster suit was complete with stitches, needles, chains, words such as "Forgive Me" carved into the flesh, a gaping orifice in the belly with serpentile tongue hanging out, and IV tubes sticking out of him. The show was capped with an encore featuring a improvisation some refer to as Dirty Tricks (either it was an unreleased song or a common thread in their improv) and Testure. This time around Ogre added some new lyrics to the intro to Testure, partially improvised. At at least one show they also played Spasmolytic during the encore.

Setlist: Intro / Addiction / Love In Vein / The Choke / Harsh Stone White / Improv / Tin Omen / Worlock / Knowhere? / Anger / Improv / VX Gas Attack / Second Tooth / Killing Game / Circustance / Left Hand Shake / Encore: Improv\”Dirty Tricks” / Testure

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=The Process=

3.31 I heard that there was a single for Candle? Where can I get it?

Candle was intended to be a single off this album, but went unreleased, possibly due to American Record’s disinterest in releasing further Puppy material. They did, however, release a promo CD-single for this song. It featured two tracks, Candle and Candle (Edit), the latter being the same as the original with the instrumental ending cut off. The song Morphedus, which was intended to be a B-side for this single, was released on the compilation We Came To Dance Vol. X.

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=Brap=

3.32 What does Brap mean?

According to the Brap liner notes Brap is basically the term cEvin and co. use for "getting high and recording". Alternatively its the name used for their live improvisation and, more generally, the term for their creation of music in general. For this reason Brap is sometimes used to mean the "genre" that all of their music falls under. The track on Remission titled Brap is probably either an example of in-studio improv, or the track that they took the name from. An improvisation (using Draining Faces as the basis) appears on the live album Ain't It Dead Yet? under the name Brap.

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3.33 What exactly are all of these tracks on Brap? Live? Demos? Wtf?

Here it goes:

Disk 1 (Back and Forth vol. 3)

1. (multimedia)
2. Jackhammer: demo
3. Splasher: demo
4. Double Cross: demo
5. Yo Yo Scrape: demo, with vocals by cEvin!
6. Carry: demo
7. Guilty: demo
8. The Soul That Creates: demo, with vocals taken from My Voice Sounds Like Shit
9. Brap: a live improvisation from either Logo Bochum Germany or Basel, Switzerland at Geigerzahler 1986 using the track from Remission as the basis. The full show can be found as a bootleg and on the bootleg CDs Kill To Cure and Fractal Zoom.
10. Sparkless: demo
11. Dead Doll: demo of the track from Bites
12. Deadlines: demo of the track from Bites
13. Last Call: live version of from the 9/26/86 CBC Brave New Waves radio show. The full show is available as a bootleg. It happens to be damn good.

Disk 2 (Back and Forth vol. 4)

1. (multimedia)
2. Uranus Canceled: a different version of the track Knowhere? from Last Rights
3. All Eyes: a live improvisation from the Too Dark Park tour. Part of this track can be found, along with other improv, as part of Walking On Ice from the Spasmolytic single.
4. Reclamation: live from Too Dark Park tour
5. Spasmolytic: possibly a live in-studio demo take, with vocals added later
6. Grave Wisdom: a less finished version of the track. Also appears on the Nettwerk Decadence boxed set as Grave Wisdom (alternate version)
7. Tin Omen: the first part of this track is live from the (crappy) CD bootleg Heaven's Trash. The second part is a pro recorded live version.
8. God's Gift: live from Too Dark Park tour
9. Convulsion: live from Too Dark Park tour
10. Nature's Revenge: live from Too Dark Park tour?
11. Love In Vein: remix from the planned, but unreleased, single
12. T.F.W.O.: live version from Too Dark Park tour
13. Choralone: live version from Too Dark Park tour

3.34 Why is the tracklist on Brap reversed?

It was an attempt by Nettwerk to play on the Back and Forth concept. Backwards and Forwards, get it? For the record, the tracklist for disk 1 (vol.3) appears on the right side, while the tracklist for disk 2 (vol.4) appears on the left.

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3.35 What's with all these different versions of Brap?

A month or two before Nettwerk released Brap with multimedia content, an early version, without multimedia and with a version of Left Hand Shake, was released on Offbeat in Europe. This is commonly referred to as "Euro- Brap". After Brap was released by Nettwerk domestically, Offbeat re- released Brap, this time supposedly with a hologram cover, without Left Hand Shake and with the multimedia content. This is commonly referred to as "Digi-Brap".

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3.36 What's with this hole in the right side of the Brap digipak? Was there supposed to be a booklet in there?

Nopers. According to Nettwerk that was just a byproduct of the manufacturing process.

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3-37 I've heard there are secrets on the Brap CD-ROM, where?

One secret can be found on disk 1 (vol. 3) in the TDP monster screen which you start at. Zoom in as close as possible on the stars above the monster- face's head. At the center of one of these stars your icon will change to a hand and you can click on it, taking you to a hidden area. The clickable region is very small so it make some trying to find it.

Another "secret" can be found on disk 2 (vol. 4). Under certain conditions you can click on the window in the room (even though your icon doesn't change to a hand...) and discover a small secret. Or maybe its not supposed to be secret?

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3.38 Wait a minute, these dates on the Brap CD-ROM clips don't sound right...

Some of the dates for the live clips on disc 2 (vol. 4) are surely incorrect. In addition, some of the clips use material from different shows edited together. The '84 K-9 performance is rumored to be footage from the very first Puppy show ever.

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=Ain't It Dead Yet?=

3.39 When was Ain't It Dead Yet? recorded?

June 1, 1987 on the Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate tour.

3.40 My copy of Ain't It Dead Yet? is all on one track, why?

The CD versions of this album were pressed as one track in order to preserve the live experience of the show as a whole. Apparently, though, a new version has just been released with each song on a different track. (more to come)

3.41 My copy of Ain't It Dead Yet? says it includes God's Gift (Maggot), but it doesn't...wtf?

Someone apparently screwed up and confused One Time One Place with God's Gift (Maggot). All versions of the album and video have One Time One Place as the actual song present. A new version of the album has appeared (see above question) with this error corrected. (More to come...)

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Miscellaneous Questions

4.1 I heard Skinny Puppy were in a movie. Is this true?

Yep. Ogre, cEvin, and Dwayne appear in a very brief cameo as a gang of thugs early in the movie The Doom Generation. It is an extremely quick scene and you can barely make out the band, if at all. During the filming of this scene cEvin fell (off a car) and broke his arm among other injuries.

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4.2 I heard there's a song called Ode To Groovy. Where is it?

Ode To Groovy was a track released on the first volume of an animal rights benefit compilation called In Defense Of Animals. While it is credited to Skinny Puppy, it is actually just Ogre and Rave. A text piece by Ogre was also included with the comp.

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4.3 I heard there's some new SP songs on compilations, is that true?

Yes, there's a new, previously unreleased track called Morphedus on a double CD compilation called We Came To Dance Vol. X. This track, unlike other recently released new Puppy tracks, features Ogre and was originally intended as a B-side to the unreleased Candle single.

Another track, called Haunted, was released on the compilation Industrial Revolution Third Edition. Haunted is an instrumental track from cEvin and Dwayne’s sessions in 1994 and was previously unreleased.

Another new Puppy track, Melt, appears on the Subconscious Compilation called Paradigm Shift. Melt is also instrumental and is intended to be part three of the trilogy including Download and Cellar Heat.

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4.4 I heard of a bootleg called Intolerance. What's up with it?

Intolerance is a CD bootleg which is not, by any means, what it says it is. It is not the last Puppy show as it claims. It is from a 6/18/92 Miami show. The audio is taken from a more complete video bootleg of that show. Intolerance also has a bunch of extra tracks which, while they claim to be unreleased, are stolen from commercially available releases. The only other interesting things present are a studio version of Left Hand Shake (which was made from a dub...) and some strange Charlie-esque rant before live part of the disc starts. It is supposedly a limited edition of 2000, but it is not known if this is true. Some copies included an embossed metal SP logo. I do not recommend buying this bootleg which seems tailored to steal from the band. Instead, track down the full 6/18/92 video and buy the commercial releases.

The track listing (as it actually appears):

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1 Charles Manson rant?
Live from 6/18/92 Miami:
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2 Tin Omen
3 Worlock
4 VX Gas Attack
5 Second Tooth
6 Left Hand Shake
7 Brap-Improv / Testure
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Studio:
8 Left Hand Shake (studio)
9 Cage*+
10 Stairs and Flowers (Too Far Gone)*+
11 Tin Omen (Reload)*%
12 Spahn Dirge (Live)#

* claims to be an unreleased version of the song, but it is in fact the version I have listed...
+ from Chainsaw single/EP
% from Tin Omen single/EP
# from Rabies CD and Tin Omen single/EP

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The Videos

5.1 What videos are out there?

Here’s a list of all known Puppy videos, including official, fan made, etc. in chronological order of the song’s release. See below for more in-depth info. Any additions are welcome.

Smothered Hope*
Smothered Hope (fan made)
Far Too Frail*
Assimilate (a band made clip with promotional info? more info requested)
Deadlines (fan made)
Deadlines (“trippy computer graphics version” fan made)
The Choke (fan made)
Dig It*
Dig It (“Death”; fan made?)
Stairs and Flowers*
God’s Gift (Maggot) (fan made?)
Addiction (fan made)
Deep Down Trauma Hounds (just clipped from the AIDY live video)*
Testure (X Rated)
Testure (R Rated)*
VX Gas Attack (fan made; from the TDP backing film?)
Worlock (X Rated)
Worlock (R Rated)
Tin Omen (fan made; from TDP backing film?)
Spasmolytic*
Spasmolytic (w\ title and credits sequence)
Rash Reflection (from the TDP backing footage missing from the bootleg)
Harsh Stone White (“live in Denver” from Spasmolytic single; fan made)
Killing Game*
laHuman8 (fan made; AKA “the abortion” video)
Candle
Curcible
Hardset Head

* appears on the official 1984-1992 Video Compilation

Official videos were also made for Download’s Glassblower, The Tear Garden’s Sheila Liked The Rodeo, and Hilt’s Stoneman.

Ogre also appears in the official video for Revolting Cock’s Stainless Steel Providers.

Out-take footage from the Spasmolytic video are also floating around as a bootleg item.

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5.2 What official Puppy videos exist?

In addition to the live video and album called Ain't It Dead Yet?, there are promotional videos for Smothered Hope, Far Too Frail, Dig it, Stairs and Flowers, Testure, Worlock, Spasmolytic, Killing Game, Candle, Curcible, and Hardset Head. All of these videos except for Worlock and the Process videos (Candle, Curcible, and Hardset Head) appear on the official 1984- 1992 Video Compilation, which also includes Deep Down Trauma Hounds from the Ain't It Dead Yet? video, and some very short audio-less clips from the Last Rights tour. Clips of the videos also appear on the Brap CD-ROM. It should be noted that two versions of Worlock and Testure exist, an X rated and an R rated version. The version of Testure which appears on the Nettwerk Compilation is the R rated version. Also, the version of Spasmolytic which appears on the compilation omits the title screen (which was just the cover of the single) and credits which are available on bootleg versions. (the credits are available below)

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5.3 Why isn't Worlock included on the Video Compilation?

Here's the info straight from Nettwerk:

WHY ISN'T WORLOCK INCLUDED ON THE SKINNY PUPPY VIDEO COMPILATION?
The video for "Worlock" was comprised of numerous (over 80 in fact) clips that were cut out of horror films by various classification boards. It is a non-stop gore-fest that was immediately banned by every video station that had ever seen the video, as well as any border crossing guards anywhere in the world. The video is considered pornographic for this reason.

That's the first reason it's not included on the video release.
The second reason concerns the sheer mountain of legal paperwork that would be required in order to get approval from every single director of the over 50 movies that the clips were taken from. There is simply no way for anybody to get a clearance to release this video in any form. Even if we were able to get legal approval to use all the clips that are contained in the video, we would be disallowed from ever shipping a copy anywhere in the world due to the content. Complete catch-22.

So that is why the video for "Worlock" doesn't appear on the Skinny Puppy video compilation. It's been a 4-year battle in the attempt to get that video released in some form. It just isn't possible to do.

But the rest of the videos which do make an appearance are mostly first-timers as far as anybody seeing them and a lot of the fans who are quite familiar with the "Worlock" situation are still pretty happy to see these videos being made available to the fans of the band.

(thanks to Dead Shot for transcribing this)

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5.4 What films are used in the Worlock video?

Here is a shot-by-shot transcription of the video generously written by Kevin Lewis. A list of just the movies appears below.

The B&W shot of a guy reaching out to pull a lever -ERASERHEAD
Then there's another B&W clip of that guy -ERASERHEAD
The red lips in blue light talking -TENEBRAE
The clips of a masked man twitching about in a chair -DEATH WARMED UP
Then there is a real fast clip of an extreme close-up on a ravens eye - OPERA
The silhouette of a police man head -MANIAC COP
Lips again (blue lighting) -TENEBRAE
Bandaged head gets a scalpel in the eye -DEAD AND BURIED / ?FACELESS?
Close up of part of the skull being removed exposing a slimy brain -DEATH WARMED UP
Eyeball being poked out -THE BEYOND
Anatomical drawing on the optic orb -RE-ANIMATOR
Flesh ripping apart -FROM BEYOND
Fast clips of hallucinatory scene from -ALTERED STATES
Zit -DEMONS
Naked guy in white room in fetal position -DEATH WARMED UP
Hand getting stabbed w/ soldering iron -HENRY
Hallucinatory scenes (cross) from -ALTERED STATES
Outtakes from the video for STAIRS & FLOWERS
Smoke expanding and then reversing -RE-ANIMATOR
Fast clip of an inferno from -ALTERED STATES
CU of a girls eyes looking about (I don't know this one), but there is footage super imposed over it of Peter Jackson (director) as Derek falling off a cliff in -BAD TASTE.
Shot of elevator descending down from -HELLRAISER II: HELLBOUND
TV smashed over a guys head from -HENRY ("plug it in, Otis.")
Mouth opening with metal teeth -LUTHER THE GEEK
Repeating shot of spinning white padded walls -DEATH WARMED UP
Really fast clip of flames bursting center screen -ALTERED STATES
Repeating shot of knife rising -DEEP RED
Repeating shot of knife stabbing down -DEEP RED
Red liquid poured dumped into the sink -SUSPIRIA
Meat spinning -PARENTS
The guy getting his head cut in half by a power saw -INTRUDER
Letterboxed scene of a little girl (zombie now) getting shot in the head (cut well to the beat) is from THE BEYOND.
Letterboxed scene of girl caught in barbed wire -SUSPIRIA
Letterboxed scene bloody girl getting hung by a telephone wire -SUSPIRIA
Shot of a gloved hand grabbing on to a machete -BAD TASTE
Man getting stabbed in the neck/jaw by a large knife -OPERA
CU of knife blade in mans mouth -OPERA
Then that crazy guy shooting his shotgun, blowing up a lamp -DEATH WARMED UP
The silhouette of a man being ripped apart by like four others -RE- ANIMATOR
Meat -?PARENTS?
Flash snap shots of bloody bodies & a CU of a paranoid man -DEATH WARMED UP
Meat -?PARENTS?
Rip off poor saps head with the spine attached & bloody floor clip -BAD TASTE
Dying girls hand slowly slide down -TENEBRAE
Light bulb breaking via razor blade -TENEBRAE
Video footage of an older man kissing a bound girl who shrugs to get away (this shot replays like four times) -FROM BEYOND
The above clips inter cuts with the scene of the lips talking under blue lighting, again -TENEBRAE
Blood on the Beatles (standees) car window -BAD TASTE
Hand cuffs being removed from bloody hands (broken thumbs) - PHENOMENA
Woman's hacked off arm spurts out blood and paints the walls red (groovy) -TENEBRAE
Heart getting stabbed, letterboxed -SUSPIRIA
Thumbs being broken on bloody cuffed hands -PHENOMENA
Jennifer Connally drowning in a pool of mud and maggots -PHENOMENA
CU of rotting flesh in that pool of mud and maggots -PHENOMENA
CU of a drain -SUSPIRIA
Bandaged quivering hand -???FACELESS???
Guy being shoved into his white padded cell -DEATH WARMED UP
Quick clip of hallucinatory scene -ALTERED STATES
Shotgun being fired -DEATH WARMED UP
Womans face being smashed through glass -SUSPIRIA
Shotgun being fired -DEATH WARMED UP
CU of eye behind needles -OPERA
Neck being slit open -SUSPIRIA
Zoom into an open eye -SUSPIRIA
Insane man screaming through a gate -HELLRAISER II: HELLBOUND
Zoom in on a man sitting in the corner of a padded cell -DEATH WARMED UP
Clip of a comb (w/handle) grabbed off the carpet & the comb handle stabbing into Otis' eye & the bottle being smashed over Michael -HENRY
CU of a drain, again -SUSPIRIA
Metal teeth being filed -LUTHER THE GEEK
Meat being pushed through a meat grinder -PARENTS
CU of a woman’s eye as a tear streams down her cheek -HELLRAISER II: HELLBOUND
Man in a straight jacket screaming with what looks like inverted color - DEATH WARMED UP
Mutant zit explodes on the neck -DEMONS
Zombie and all four grabbing out -RE-ANIMATOR
Aliens head getting cut in half via chainsaw -BAD TASTE
Screaming in that padded cell -DEATH WARMED UP
Woman getting scalped -DEMONS
Razor slashing upon a maggot infested chest -HELLRAISER II: HELLBOUND
Guts plopping to the ground at the feet -BAD TASTE
Freaking out in that fucking padded cell -DEATH WARMED UP
Zoom out of an eye -HELLRAISER II: HELLBOUND
Hallucinatory scene (with the crucifix) -ALTERED STATES
The B&W shot of a guy reaching out (to pull a lever) -ERASERHEAD

The films:

Bad Taste
Maniac 2 (it was only a half hour promo for the film, the final film was never completed because Joe -maniac- Spinell died)
Death Warmed Up
Hellbound: Hellraiser II
Intruder
Luther The Geek
Eraserhead
Re-Animator
From Beyond
Parents
Henry: Portrait Of A Serial Killer
Altered States
Combat Shock
The Beyond
Phenomena
Tenebrae
Demons
Opera
Deep Red
Suspiria
Dead And Buried
Another interesting point is that the sound during the "Restricted/X" intro before the video is a sample from the movie Videodrome's title shot.

Special thanks to Kevin Lewis for this section.

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5.5 What are the Spasmolytic credits?

Skinny Puppy: Ogre, cEvin Key, D. Rudolph Goettel
Directed by Jim Vanbebber
Produced by Gary Blair Smith
Co-Produced by Mark R.G. Yoshihara
Written by Kevin Ogilvie, Gary Blair Smith, Jim Vanbebber
Director of Photography: Danny Nowak
Production Designer: Al Benjamin
Special Make-Up Effects: Tim Gore
Editors: Jim Vanbebber, Kevin Ogilvie, Gary Blair Smith
On-line Editor: William J. Morrison
First Assistant Director: Gary Harvey
Special Effects: Al Benjamin, Ray Reedyk
Special Make Up Effects Assistant: Charlie Grant
Make-Up and Hair: David Jones
Wardrobe: Tracey Pincott
Property Master: Ray Reedyk
Art Department and Special Effects Assistant: Lionel Huppie
"Chair Of No Cares"
Concept: Ogre
Design and Construction: Ray Reedyk
"Stilt-Man"
Concept: Ogre
Design and Construction: Robert Comer
Title Graphics and Art: Jim Cummins
Gaffer: Shawn Milstead
Key Grip: Sandy Hegyi
Focus Puller: Mark Zagar
Clapper Loader: Nick Watson
Camera Assistant: Mike Chisolm
Trainee Camera Assistant: Christina Kasperczyk
Castin: Sue Brouse
Craft Service: Darci John
Best Boy: Nat Chase
Studio Manager: Bruce Beaulac
Wardrobe Assistant: Greg Clow
Gregor's Costume Design: Nick Newcombe
Trainee Assitant Director: Vince Coates
Wrap Crew: Tom Benny, Ryan Monroe, Donald Riggan, Vince Coates, Kevin O'Leary, Mark Volsin, Mark Westhauer
Cast:
Gregor: Ogre
Minister: D. Rudolph Goettel
Postman: cEvin Key
Heroin: Shannon Keir
Stockdoc 1: Rave
Bride: Corrine Iles
Groom: Kevin Lesminster
Corporate Slug: Derek Peakman
Landlord: Dalton Fisher
Stockdoc 2: Greg Sykes
Stockdoc 3: Louise Jackson
Lighting, Grip Equipment, and Studio Supplied by William F. White
Camera Equipment Supplied by P.P.L. Camera Corporation
Filmstock Supplied by AFGA/ Western Imperial Magnetics Ltd., Kimberly Schneider
Costumes and Wardrobes Supplied by S&M Costumes Inc.
Catering Provided by Peppermint Pate, Carol Simick
Insurance Provided by Sedgewick James, Bob Adams
Stock Processing and Cleaning Provided by Gastwon Film Labs Inc., Dave Harden
Stock Transfer Provided by Gastown Post and Transfer
Monitors Provided by Granada Canada, Ray Stanton
Edited Facilities Provided by Lapost!, Larry Huber
Special Thanks To The Following:
Shane Lunny Productions
Blue Wave Productions
Brenda Collins
Anna
Kathy Benjamin
Curtis Petersen
Sincere Thanks to Chas. Balum and Chopper for Chopping Off Our Heads

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5.6 I just watched Far Too Frail...wtf?

Apparently, after shooting the footage for Smothered Hope, the band decided to do an intentionally bad video for Far Too Frail using the same footage. The result is nothing less than hilarious.

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5.7 What fan made videos exist?

There are many videos made by fans, including Addiction, Deadlines (2 versions), laHuman8, The Choke, Harsh Stone White (live from Spasmolytic single), (more to come). There are also alternate versions of the Official videos, probably done by fans, including Smothered Hope and Dig It. The Deadlines fan-made video was, for some unknown reason, included along with the official videos on the Brap CD-ROM. (Any info for this section would be greatly appreciated).

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5.8 What is this Too Dark Park backing video I hear about?

The backing film used by the band for the Too Dark Park tour has been leaked out as a video bootleg. The bootleg includes the entire backing film with the exception of Rash Reflection, along with the band's audio backing tape. The video floating around for Rash Reflection is most probably the backing film used for that song along with the audio of the album version of the song. Many of the films have been set to the album version of the corresponding song to make a "fan video" for the song.

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5.9 So is there a Last Rights backing video bootleg as well?

Yep. Its not as common as the TDP video, though. A good chunk of the footage is from the Killing Game video shoot. Also, the audio on this bootleg is just the entire Last Rights album and the first four songs off of Too Dark Park, not live or backing tape material.

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Other Projects and Bands

=Subconscious Communications=

6.1 What is Subconscious Communications?

Subconscious Communications began as a record label initiated by Dwayne in order to release his aDuck 12" (then named Subconscious Records.) After the breakup of Skinny Puppy, cEvin and Dwayne revived it as a label to encompass all of their new releases. Subconscious Communications is not a subdivision or imprint of Nettwerk, Cleopatra, or any other label. It is a label which uses those and other record labels for distribution. Subconscious exists as a studio and remix/film score team as well. Check out the website at http://www.jps.net/ckey

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6.2 What is Paradigm Shift?

Paradigm Shift is a compilation of Subconscious Communications' projects along with some other related tracks. Dwayne had intended to use the title Paradigm Shift for one of his solo works in the future. It includes the tracks Power and Touched from the original and out of print Subconscious 12" released by Dwayne's solo project, aDuck, and Philth. While Philth's track was called My Heart Has Been Touched By Christ on the original 12", the music was not changed for this compilation, on which it is just called Touched. All of the other material on this album is previously unreleased, including tracks by Download, Doubting Thomas, The Tear Garden, Dead Voices On Air, Plateau, Skinny Puppy, Kone, and aDuck. A second compilation is in the works

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=Download=

6.3 What is Download? What are they doing now?

Download is a project which grew out of cEvin and Dwayne's jam sessions during the recording of The Process. These jam sessions involved friends like DJ Philth and Mark Spybey. Download, named after the track on Last Rights, is now cEvin's full time project. 3 albums, two EPs, and a Soundtrack have been released. The band lineup continues to morph, and has included participation from Ken Marshall and Anthony Valcic (both long time Puppy friends and engineers), Genesis P-Orridge (of Throbbing Gristle and Psychic TV), and Ryan Moore (as a guest on the live tour). Mark Spybey left the band in April. The lineup for the latest album, III, includes cEvin, Philth, and Anthony Valcic. Two Eps are still apparently planned for release. The first is called Moth and is named after a track on the album. The second will be called Resilient and will feature remixes by other artists including Autechre. Download planned to tour following this release but it never materialized.

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6.4 What is this Charlie's Family soundtrack I've heard about?

Charlie's Family is an as-of-yet un-released film directed by Puppy friend Jim VanBebber (who directed the Spasmolytic video). Download released a soundtrack in a limited edition of 2000 to help finance the films release. The soundtrack was only available on the bands '96 tour and through Nettwerk mail order. This soundtrack has been re-released by Metropolis, with the music remaining identical but the packaging changing to a digipak with a slightly altered cover.

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6.5 What is Chunkblower and where can I get the soundtrack?

Chunkblower was a film by Jim Vanbebber which was never made. Only a trailer (which can be seen, in part, on the Brap CD-ROM) was produced. The project was scrapped when the horror movie market fell apart. cEvin and Dwayne were to have recorded the soundtrack, but since the film was never made, the soundtrack was never released and likely never produced. One cool aspect of the trailer is that it features Dwayne and Bill Leeb as the burning victims. Dwayne is even referred to as Squelch (as in Squelch Songs).

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6.6 I heard Download released a track on a CD with some magazine, is this true?

Yes, they released a track called I Still Ate Her on a CD which came with issue 47 of the European magazine Future Music, which contained and interview with cEvin.

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6.7 I heard that there was going to be a Coil vs. Download remix EP?

It seems that whoever spread this information jumped the gun a bit. Both bands claim that while they have been approached to do it, it will not happen anytime soon, if at all.

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6.8 Why is Outafter dedicated to Brandon Lee?

When the Crow film was being made, Skinny Puppy were asked to contribute the main theme to the soundtrack. cEvin and Dwayne composed a track, and Brandon supposedly loved it. Ogre, however, thought the track was too "technoy" to be Skinny Puppy. The track was left unreleased until it finally appeared as Outafter on the Download album The Eyes Of Stanley Pain. It is interesting that both Dwayne and Brandon Lee died leaving work unfinished which was completed and came "Out After" their death's.

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6.9 What is that voice saying in The Eyes Of Stanley Pain?

This voice apparently popped up during a Download session and after warping it they decided it was saying "Eyes Of Stanley Pain" and named the album after it. Its an open playing field, however, and there are other phrases spoken by the voice, so take the proverbial ball and run with it.

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6.10 I heard that there was a bonus track on the promo of the Sidewinder EP, is this true?

Sort of. The promo version of Sidewinder features a track called Sidewinder Snake which was not on the commercially available version of the EP. The track uses un-cleared samples from a track by Peter Gabriel and therefore was unable to be released commercially.

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6.11 This Papa Papa Mula CWM track sounds familiar...so does the name...

The Papa Papa Mula CWM track on Microscopic is one of a few similarly named tracks on various Mark Spybey projects. The "Papa Papa" name refers to tracks in which he uses a particular rhythm pattern. Papa Papa Bata Kolm appears on Dead Voices On Air's Hafted Maul and Papa Papa Repe Wax appears on DVOA's Shap.

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=aDuck=

6.12 What is aDuck?

aDuck was Dwayne's solo project. aDuck released a now out of print 12" called Power (with a B-side by Philth) which is reprinted on Paradigm Shift (see above). Another aDuck track, Burnout, appears on this compilation as well. An aDuck track called Phenethylamine Backwash was also included on a compilation produced by FLA's Bill Leeb and Rhys Fulber. cEvin plans on releasing some more of Dwayne's material in the future as a full aDuck album.

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=Doubting Thomas=

6.13 What is Doubting Thomas? Is anything new coming out?

Doubting Thomas is a side project of cEvin and Dwayne. The music was best described as "soundtracks for movies that never existed". There was an album, The Infidel, and companion single, Father Don't Cry, released on WaxTrax!. There is supposedly a new release, including unreleased old and more recent material, on the way (this release may have been replaced with the Father Don't Cry re-release ...more to come). Two Doubting Thomas tracks appear on the compilation Paradigm Shift. Also of note is that there is some other band called Doubting Thomas with absolutely no relation to this project.

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6.14 What happened to the Father Don’t Cry single? Where can I get it? With WaxTrax!’s absorbtion by TVT, the single became out of print. It was re-released Metropolis including the two new tracks THC and Majickal Horse as well as the track Come In Piece which was a bonus track on the CD version of The Infidel only. The re-release also features completely new artwork.

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=The Tear Garden/The Legendary Pink Dots/Twilight Circus=

6.15 What is Skinny Puppy's relation to The Tear Garden and The Legendary Pink Dots? What are The Tear Garden doing now?

The Tear Garden is a Side Project of Skinny Puppy and The Legendary Pink Dots. It began when cEvin, a huge fan of the Dots, sent them a photo collage of all the LPD releases he was able to find. They began corresponding, even before SP was born, and eventually, Edward Ka-Spel (singer of LPD) toured with Skinny Puppy, opening for the band with his solo performance. cEvin was his sound engineer for this tour, and this resulted in the first Tear Garden sessions. These sessions (which involved just cEvin and Edward, produced by Rave) gave birth to their self-titled debut EP/cassette. One of the songs was a new version of the Skinny Puppy track Centre Bullet, this time with Edward on vocals.

The band reconvened in '87, this time with Dwayne, Rave, Lee Salford, and even Ogre joining in as guests, and recorded the album Tired Eyes Slowly Burning. After a long hiatus the Tear Garden reformed, with the lineup of cEvin, Dwayne, Rave, Ryan Moore, and the entire Pink Dots band, and recorded the album Last Man To Fly and the EP Sheila Liked the Rodeo. Ryan, who had been working with cEvin in Hilt, got along so well with the Pink Dots crew that he has been a member of LPD ever since. Much of the Sheila Liked The Rodeo EP was improvised in the studio when the band members were not even aware that they were being recorded. A video for the Sheila Liked The Rodeo track was made, directed by Bill Morrison, who also directed Killing Game for Puppy. The band once again got together in late '95 and recorded To Be An Angel Blind, The Crippled Soul Divide. Unfortunately this album was recorded after Dwayne's death. It featured cEvin, Anthony Valcic, all the Pink Dots including new member Niels Van Hornblower, and a variety of guests. Mark Spybey appears on the track Malice Through The Looking Glass. Two other tracks from these sessions appear on the Paradigm Shift compilation. It is rumored that cEvin and Edward are working on some new material currently, and that there will be a few limited live shows soon.

In addition to The Tear Garden, cEvin appears on the LPD releases 9 Lives To Wonder (which features a thank you to "undernourished small dogs") and Chemical Playschool vol. 8 and 9. cEvin did the lighting for a recent LPD show and joined them on drums for one track.

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6.16 What about Twilight Circus?

In addition to his participation in The Tear Garden, Ryan Moore also accompanied Download on their ‘96 tour as a guest member. He played live drums as well as some bass and synths. Ryan’s solo project, Twilight Circus, opened for Download on this tour, with Mark Spybey sometimes joining in on Ryan’s set. Both cEvin and Mark Spybey have taken part in some of Ryan’s more recent Twilight Circus shows.

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=Hilt/The Flu/Lee Chubby King=

6.17 What is Hilt?

Hilt is a punkish band involving cEvin, Dwayne, Al Nelson, Lee Salford, Don Harrison, Rave, Ryan Moore, and even Ogre as a one time guest. cEvin and Al "Chubby" Nelson were in a band together years ago called Illegal Youth (the name was originally No Exit, but when another band popped up with that name, they changed it). Al later became Puppy's live film man. Hilt released two albums, two singles, and an EP. A video was made for the track Stoneman. cEvin has said there's lots more Hilt material that may one day be released. A new Hilt release called The Worst Of... is tentatively planned.

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6.18 What is The Flu?

The Flu was an earlier band which grew into Hilt, featuring at least cEvin and Al, and which only released a cassette album in Sweden. Copies of this album are floating around as a bootleg. Some other cassette material has recently popped up as a bootleg claiming to be a Flu album called Patsy : A Collection of Absolute Insanity By The Fly. Its supposedly volumes 5 and 6 in an 8 volume set called the In My Head Tape Series (which is otherwise unreleased). More info to come on this material.

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6.19 What is Lee Chubby King?

Lee Chubby King was a little rap parody with cEvin, Al, and Lee Salford. The name was a play on the band members names. "Lee" Salford, Al "Chubby" Nelson, and cEvin a.k.a. "Kenny King". Lee Chubby King released a 12" single of the tracks Yo Pusface and Yo Pusdub.

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=Plateau=

6.20 What is Plateau?

Plateau is a new project featuring Philth, cEvin, and Anthony Valcic. The concept for this band was apparently born out of the '96 Download tour, which included stop overs in the hash bars of lovely Amsterdam. During the North American leg of the tour, at a planned Orlando show, cEvin was busted for Marijuana possession. This incident lead to the concept of a band for the legalization of pot. An album called Music For Grassbars was recently released and a double A-side single for the songs Dutch Flowers and White Widow is also out now on both vinyl and CD. Plateau's debut track, Grasshopper, appears on the Subconscious Compilation Paradigm Shift. More Plateau is expected in the future. Some Plateau material was performed live by Download at the '96/'97 New Years Eve show.

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=cEvin Key solo=

6.21 I heard cEvin is releasing solo material. Is this true?

Yep. cEvin released an album called Music For Cats on Metropolis, which featured a variety of guests familiar to the Subcon universe. Two more solo albums for Metropolis are forthcoming.

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=Cyberaktif /Front Line Assembly=

6.22 What is Skinny Puppy's relation to Cyberaktif and Front Line Assembly?

Bill Leeb of FLA was a member of Skinny Puppy (under the name Wilhelm Schroder), playing bass synth predominantly, during the Bites/Mind:TPI eras and called it quits right before they went on tour for Mind:TPI. Dwayne then replaced him. Bill, cEvin and Dwayne joined forces a few years later and put out some records under the name Cyberaktif, including an album (Tenebrae Vision) and two singles (Nothing Stays and Temper), all released on WaxTrax! Blixa Bargeld of Einstuerzende Neubauten also participated in Cyberaktif. According to both Leeb and cEvin, this project will never record another release.

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=A Chud Convention=

6.23 What is A Chud Convention?

A Chud Convention was a one-off project that involved Skinny Puppy (before Dwayne joined) and a;GRUMH. It basically involved the two bands screwing around in the studio while "coming down off a weird high”. A 12" of these sessions was released, called Sorrow, containing two tracks, Patient Sorrow and Silent Sorrow. Puppy, and possibly a;GRUMH as well, didn't want to release this due to its oddball nature and questionable sound quality, so the release was probably done by a third party.

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=Hell O' Deth Day=

6.24 What is Hell O' Death Day?

Hell O' Death Day was another one off project that Ogre and cEvin created in order to open for Chris and Cosey during the early days of Skinny Puppy. Some of the material for this project was released on the Remission and Bites albums, including tracks like Film, Love, Falling, Social Deception, and Centre Bullet. cEvin says that there is a bunch of material from these sessions which remains unreleased. Because this style was popular in Europe at the time, many of these tracks were used on the European versions of Bites, resulting in many different versions of the album with many different tracks. All the tracks from all the different versions of Bites, with the one exception of Cage, are compiled on the '93 CD release of Bites.

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=The Lung Goblins=

=cEvin's Pre-Puppy Work=

6.26 What is Skinny Puppy's relation to Images In Vogue?

Images In Vogue was a fairly big Canadian synth-pop band in the early '80s. cEvin was drummer for the band, and some of their released material includes him (under his real name Kevin Crompton). The band also included Glen Nelson (brother of Al Nelson, see question on Hilt), Joe Vizvary, Gary Smith (who later became a film producer who worked with Jim Vanbebber, see questions on Charlie's Family and Chunkblower), Don Gordan (who later left and formed the band Numb), and Dale Martindale. As the band progressed, cEvin became increasingly disgusted with being in a pop band. This lead to his formation of a project which was the complete anti-thesis of pop. This project eventually became Skinny Puppy. On the day of the release of Bites, cEvin quit Images In Vogue and Puppy became his full time project.

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6.27 What was The Fuck Brothers?

Supposedly, the Fuck Brothers was cEvin's first band. When he was 13, his parents forced to have get a haircut, which ended up horrendous. cEvin rebelled by forming the Fuck Brothers with his friend, Dick Hardy, and then recorded an "album" the same day on an eight-track tape. They recorded a second album "Live at Istanbul" (inserting crowd noise between songs) over a Tangerine Dream eight-track. Someone stole the tape, apparently thinking they were getting Tangerine Dream. I, personally, refuse to believe that anyone named Dick Hardy really exists and thus question the whole story. Truthfully, if your name was Richard Hardy would you call yourself Dick? Dick Hardy? Ah, but I digress...

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=Mark Spybey/Dead Voices On Air=

6.28 What is Skinny Puppy's relation to Mark Spybey and Dead Voices On Air?

Mark Spybey's solo project, Dead Voices On Air, featured cEvin as a guest from time to time. Mark Spybey was also a member of Download, but left the band recently and is not involved with their new album. cEvin participated in some of DVOA's live shows during which they played some Download material. Download also played some DVOA material on their '96 tour. Most recently, Mark and cEvin performed together with Ryan Moore’s Twilight Circus. DVOA covered Love In Vein for the Hymns of the Warlock tribute album and will appear on the next Subcon compilation.

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=Ministry/Revolting Cocks/PTP=

6.29 What is Skinny Puppy's relation to Ministry, Revolting Cocks, and PTP?

Al Jourgensen of Ministry co-produced and performed on the Rabies album, and Ogre did backing vocals and some writing on the Ministry album The Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste. He also toured with Ministry a number of times and appears in the live video and album In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up (he’s the one in the “Fuck Art Let’s Kill” T-shirt in some shots, and a puffy hat in others). When Ogre was on tour with them, Ministry often performed the Skinny Puppy track Smothered Hope. One version of this appears as the B-side to Ministry's Burning Inside 12". According to cEvin, Jourgensen wanted Ogre to be a permanent vocalist for his Revolting Cocks project at one point. Due to Ogre and Al's "falling out" Ogre sang only on a few tracks. Ogre did tour with RevCo, however. The first incarnation of Ogre's project W.E.L.T. involved Al and Ogre working together as a duo. This lineup fell apart, but one track from this era, called Noreen, is floating around in bootleg form. This track was later used by Al as the basis for the Ministry song The Fall. Interestingly enough Ogre and Al traded tattoos, Ogre getting a RevCo symbol and Al a W.E.L.T. symbol. Al's project called PTP is also rumored to have recorded a track with Ogre on vocals. It was called Show Me Your Spine and is used in the movie Robocop but was never released (on a soundtrack or otherwise). The only PTP music that was released, the single Rubber Glove Seduction, does not feature Ogre. Ogre doesn't remember taking any part in this project at all, but admits that the period was a drug haze so, who knows?

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=Mutual Mortuary=

6.30 What is Mutual Mortuary?

Mutual Mortuary was a collaboration between Ogre and Bill Leeb, back when he was still a member of Puppy. Its not known exactly who did what, Leeb claiming he did it all except the vocals, provided by Ogre, and Ogre claiming that he did just about everything for Leeb. The project was unfinished, with only two tracks having vocals, when Leeb sent it off to a European record label. The project was rejected, but the label used the two songs with vocals on their compilation Insane Music For Insane People. According to Ogre, Leeb kept all the money from the project, resulting in Ogre plastering posters all over Vancouver with the slogan W.E.L.T. : Wilhelm Eats Lunch Today. The two published tracks are findable as bootlegs.

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=W.E.L.T.=

6.31 What is W.E.L.T.?

W.E.L.T is a long running name Ogre has used for a variety of projects, none of which have ever been released. The name originated as Ogre's reaction to Mutual Mortuary (see above). Later Ogre and Al Jourgensen adopted it as their project together, this time referring to it as When Everyone Learns the Truth. When Ogre and Al had a falling out, this project disintegrated. One track from these sessions called Noreen appeared as a bootleg, though. Al later revamped this track and used it as Ministry's The Fall. Ogre later revived W.E.L.T. as a project with Raven, from Killing Joke. This lineup also fell apart when Raven went and got a publishing deal based upon what was then just a verbal agreement. Raven apparently wanted Ogre to do some vocals on already finished music, which Ogre decided against. Most recently, W.E.L.T. became Ogre's post-Skinny Puppy project with Mark Walk. An album was supposedly completed but never appeared, reportedly due to legal troubles. (see above question on Ogre) Ogre is now trying to revive this material and plans on redoing some of it before releasing it. A different name for the project will probably be used as a result of another band’s use of the name Welt.

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6.32 I heard Ogre did the soundtrack to the Descent 2 computer game, is this true?

Yes, at least partially. There is quite a bit of conflicting info on this soundtrack. The most probable situation is that Ogre and Mark Walk only did 2 tracks, tracks 4 and 7 respectively called Glut and Ratzez. Btw, since track 1 is the game data, Ogre and Walk’s two tracks, while they may be tracks 4 and 7 on the CD, are songs 3 and 6 (take note, people with dubs...). The rest of the tracks were apparently done by other artists. It should also be noted that this soundtrack only appears on the CD-ROM version of Descent 2. The floppy disk and downloadable demo versions feature a MIDI sequence soundtrack not involving Ogre. Also, a new version of the game was released called the “Veritgo” version which featured a different soundtrack with a slightly different edit of one of Ogre’s tracks. The sondtrack to the Playstation version is supposedly different. Any definitive info on these other releases would be greatly appreciated.

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6.33 I saw some band named Welt's album called Better Days. Is this Ogre's project?

No. This is a completely unrelated band.

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=Pigface=

6.34 What are Skinny Puppy's relations to Pigface?

Pigface is a sort of supergroup with a rotating lineup involving just about everyone and their brother. Ogre has been a consistent contributor to Pigface, doing vocals and touring with them. Pigface's "main guy" is Martin Atkins who, being a friend of Ogre, was brought in to produce The Process after Roli Mosimann was kicked out. cEvin and Dwayne did not get along with Martin and eventually he was axed as well. It was through Atkins that Ogre met Mark Walk, with whom he is/was working on W.E.L.T. Dwayne and cEvin also supposedly contributed to Pigface at one time or another, but it is not known when or how. Ogre was supposed to be appearing on the recently released Pigface album called A New High In Low but doesn’t seem to be on the album.

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=Rx/Ritalin=

6.35 What is Rx/Ritalin?

Rx is a new project of Ogre and Martin Atkins, originally titled Ritalin but changed for legal reasons, which has released an album, Bedside Toxicology. Future Rx material, including the possiblity of singles from the album and a tour, is planned.
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General Questions

Member Info

Questions By Album/Era

Miscellaneous Questions

The Videos

Other Projects and Bands

Frequently Asked Questions

General Questions

1.1 How did the band start?

1.2 Where did they get the name Skinny Puppy? What does it mean?

1.3 What were their influences?

1.4 Where is (dialogue sample here) from?

1.5 (Insert Album A) sounds nothing like (Insert Album B), wtf?

1.6 How many people listen to Skinny Puppy?

1.7 What new stuff is coming out?

1.8 What’s this I hear about new Puppy material? Is this true?

Member Info

2.1 Who were Skinny Puppy?

2.2 What is cEvin Key doing now? Where can I reach him?

2.3 How the hell do you pronounce cEvin's name?

2.4 How did cEvin get the nickname Kenny King?

2.5 What is Ogre doing now? Where can I reach him?

2.6 What was Dwayne up to before Puppy? How did he get involved in the band?

2.7 Are Dave "the Rave" Ogilvie and Kevin "Nivek Ogre" Ogilvie related or the same person?

2.8 OK, two Ogilvies I can buy...but three? Who is this Rosie "Mowse" Ogilvie?

2.9 Who is the Green Guy?

Questions By Album/Era

=Back And Forth (series 1 and 2)=

3.1 What is Back and Forth series 1 and where can I get it?

3.2 What's that thing at the beginning of Smothered Hope (demo) on Back and Forth series 2?

=Remission=

3.3 Where is that picture of a man looking around a corner inside the Remission / Back and Forth series 2 booklet from?

=Bites=

3.4 Who is that singing on the Centre Bullet?

3.5 What is this extra track 17 on the Bites CD?

3.6 What's with all the different versions of Bites?

3.7 Why are some of the same tracks that are on Remission on Bites as well?

3.8 What was the tour like for this album?

=Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse=

3.9 Alright...let me guess...the version of Love on Mind:TPI is different than the one on Bites?

3.10 OK, why are Addiction and Deep Down Trauma Hounds on here? Weren't those originally released on Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate? And where is Stairs and Flowers (Dub) from?

3.12 Why is Dig It on the CD album the same as the remix on the Dig It single?

3.12 What is the difference between the Chainsaw EP/single and the Stairs and Flowers EP/single?

=Cleanse, Fold, And Manipulate=

3.13 Who is that singing on Addiction?

3.14 I heard of a song called Kill To Cure, what is it and why wasn't it released?

3.15 What was the tour like for this album?

=VIVIsectVI=

3.16 Why is the album called VIVIsectVI? What's the VI for?

3.17 I heard they got arrested in '88, why?

3.18 I heard about CHUD getting stolen, what happened?

=Rabies=

3.19 Who is the Cyan credited with lyrics and vocals for Rain?

3.20 What exactly is this track Spahn Dirge? Where have I heard those lyrics before?

3.21 I heard Rabies got remastered. How can I tell if I have the original or remastered version? What's the difference?

Skinny Puppy Rabies Remastered Quasi-FAQ

=Too Dark Park=

3.22 Hey, my Too Dark Park insert is different from my friend's. What's going on?

=Last Rights=

3.24 Track 10 on Last Rights is missing...wtf?

3.25 Where can I get this Left Hand Shake?

3.26 What's this story of Ogre having a convulsion during Knowhere?

3.27 On my copy of Last Rights the songs start 39 sec before the corresponding track comes up. What gives?

3.28 My copy of Last Rights has all the right songs on the CD, but the on-disc art only lists three songs, (Tormentor ext., Bark, and Nature's Revenge Dub). Wtf?

3.29 What happened to the Love In Vein single?

3.30 What was the tour for Last Rights like?

=The Process=

3.31 I heard that there was a single for Candle? Where can I get it?

=Brap=

3.32 What does Brap mean?

3.33 What exactly are all of these tracks on Brap? Live? Demos? Wtf?

Disk 1 (Back and Forth vol. 3)

Disk 2 (Back and Forth vol. 4)

3.34 Why is the tracklist on Brap reversed?

3.35 What's with all these different versions of Brap?

3.36 What's with this hole in the right side of the Brap digipak? Was there supposed to be a booklet in there?

3-37 I've heard there are secrets on the Brap CD-ROM, where?

3.38 Wait a minute, these dates on the Brap CD-ROM clips don't sound right...

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